That kitten makes me ded. xD
And the music just puts the cherry on top. I’m half expecting somebody to make a wind-up kitteh JUST LIKE THAT that plays that music.
Omg…music like that is so common in Japan. They play it in doctors’ and dentists’ offices…even the hold music for the Japanese consulate in Boston sounded like a music box.
And for those who aren’t satisfied with Kuu’s summation of the original debate, the original post is entitled something along the lines of “A Scottish Fold Dachsund Kitteh?!” Like I said before, you can’t view the video of that posting anymore, but you can read all the nuff and non-nuff comments underneath to your heart’s content.
is confusing….is the star kitty a munchkin and the taller kitty its non-munchkin sibling? or not related at all? or both munchkins but one is stubbier?
confusions.
i wants me a scottish foldie-o in the worst way!
More than likely this cat, as an adult, will have a host of problems including arthritis and bone weakening just like every other inbred “munchkin” type of cat. Sad, and yet people still want them so bad.
It’s also kind of weird how there are rarely ever other animals or people in these videos….the Japanese sure enjoy the voyeur aspect of “cuteness.” I bet the kitty is lonely all by itself in that big room
I know this has been posted before, and I feel the same as some others. The kitty is cute, but sad. Breeding deformities like this kitty is not good for the animal itself. I can only imagine what this poor kitty will feel as it gets older and heavier, and it’s poor little legs wont be able to support it. It really isn’t good for the kitty!
In the last comment thread, amongst much weeping and gnashing of teeth, it was determined that it is not actually of the munchkin breed, but rather a dwarf cat based on the taller sibling kitten. So if you find natural dwarfism to be sad, to each his own, but the kitty looks pretty happy to me.
Anybody else notice that a lot of kitten videos consist mostly of the kitten not understanding why the cameraperson is not doling out pats and skritches?
scottish folded ears are a mutation, but don’t hinder the animal and are therefore cute. Stunted legs, I dunno. They’re kind of funny on a dog, like a corgi, but not on a graceful animal like a cat. At least this kitten is not a twisty kat.
Judging by his sibling, lil’ kitty has been bred as an ordinary scottish fold and is the product of a prefectly natural genetic mutation. IT HAS NOT BEEN BRED FOR SHORT LEGS! Ugh…(sorry, long day, patience is wearing out)
Also, to whoever said that he’s alone…er…no he isn’t oO.
To those who say it’s cruel… i have deformed toes, wanna berate my parents for it?
Also kitty = happy! Look at him/her! That is a happy cat.
Awww, lil thing looks happy to me! We’re all mutations in one way or another, and we are all perfect in our own way. I like kittens! They make me happy!
Whining about the cruelty of the breed will not un-breed them. Shh.
If the legs cause you heartbreak, look at the ears. The eeeeeeeeeears. Or else that vaguely bewildered look on its face.
I agree, though, kits in vids always look rather confused about the whole concept. If they could see how famous they get, they might not mind — then again, they might get a bit of an ego … er, a bit MORE of an ego.
“Anybody else notice that a lot of kitten videos consist mostly of the kitten not understanding why the cameraperson is not doling out pats and skritches? ”
Posted by Bob
I’m not understanding that part myself. Put down the stupid camera and snorgle the kitten, fer cryin’ out loud!
And I’ve been wanting to say this all week, and I just can’t hold it in any longer:
There would be no controversy if everyone stopped attacking everyone else for saying something you don’t like.
I had a munchkin cat when I was a kid. He was actually the most active cat I’ve ever had, the short legs didn’t slow him down and never seemed to cause him discomfort. He was a sweet-heart too, though he often went out roaming.
Meg, you on strike too? Woe! Too bad commentroversies don’t go on strike.
Me, I find the worst part of this vid to be the fact that the cameraperson can manage to suppress the urge to snorgle snorgle snorgle like a baby stoat. (Er sumthin.)
All God’s creatures deserve love, that’s why she made them. Except snakes, snakes are evil. I’d rather be this kitteh than a dog owned by a certain NFL player.
Snakes are a very important factor in controlling the rodent population, so unless you want to be overrun with rats and mice, snakes are not evil. And there are also a lot of very beautiful snakes out there that are perfectly harmless.
Snakes are COOL. I Have often had pet snakes–as many as four milksnakes at once. They are beautiful and useful creatures. Snakes keep the rodent population under control.
I am glad that people don’t think my mere existence is cruel given my myriad medical problems and supposed “genetic defects.”
I have a munchkin Manx kitteh who is about the cutest thing in the world. She can actually jump higher than my non-munchkins, so I can vouch that munchkin legs work just fine. She also hops like a bunny and chirps instead of meowing.
I really want to give them the benefit of the doubt and say that they weren’t trying to breed a munchkin kitty, and that his stubby legs are just an accident.
It happens.
Anyway… this kitty killed me! I was so sad when the first video was taken down Thanks so much for sharing it again! Watching this little guy romp around, even tho he’s stubbly, just made my day ^____^
This kitty is as cute as hell, but I just want to ask…what exactly happened to it? Is it like, deformed? Is the taller kitty a healthy one?
*looks up at comments again*
Oh ok it was bred that way. Not deformed. Nevermind.
I really am starting to have a problem with how this website operates. I am personally on the fence about this kitty and how ethical it is to breed animals in this way. Does that make me a bad person? Does simply questioning something like that make me a “nuff”? Why can’t people, who have made up their minds about this, express their thoughts? It is rather immature and stifling to discussion the way you all just label someone a “nuff” because he or she disagrees with a practice or a post or what have you. I know this is Meg’s site, but she doesn’t make these posts in a vacuum. People have a right to express their own reactions to posts, and if she’s not comfortable with that, then she should close the comments sections. I understand censoring/ chastising people who are rude or disrespectful, but if someone puts forward an interesting, well-reasoned, but unpopular, opinion…I’m sorry but I don’t see how that’s nuffery. Don’t you think we could all learn from the insights of others? I think learning is cuter than name-calling. What about you?
And this kitten? Adorabubbles. I just want to scoop the little darlin up and plant kissies between those foldy downy ears. And nibble on those wee toes. And snack upon the stubby tail. And cuddle up with on the couch and listen to the purrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrs.
CO is an internet clique and like all cliques, your opinion is only welcome when it’s the same as everyone elses’ opinion. To be happy on the internet and CO, you need to stop thinking college and start thinking jr. high.
Gee, thanks for the boost. Didn’t know I was still in junior high simply because I disagree with jumping all over a random video and screaming animal abuse.
I feel so good now. Thanks for shoving me into a pre-made assumption that exists only in your head! My life finally has meaning! Huzzah!
Double your kitteh pleasure!
If I had tiny ones like these, I would be a babbling fool kissing those delish babies all day (as if I’m not a babbling fool with my own three!)
Almost fell off my chair…
I don’t think this kitty was meant to be a munchkin, otherwise the other kitty running around with it would’ve been a munchkin too. This is prob’ly a common deformity in cats if it happened often enough for people to realize they could breed them to look this way.
Zance — if life is what you make it (and I believe that it is) then this CO “clique” is heavily influenced by what you put into it. YOU.
Personally I’ve found the level of sophistication here to be extremely variable, which means we’re The Blog To Beat just as often as we’re Oh No Not This Again.
This is from Wikipedia — seems as though Munchkin is NOT bred intentionally, but occurs naturally. Also, cats don’t suffer the way dogs do:
Mk = Munchkin gene (dominant). Cats heterozygous for this gene (Mkmk) have shortened legs, but are not disabled. They have a ferret-like gait. The homozygous form (MkMk) may be lethal as litter sizes are smaller than average. Although there was initial concern that Munchkin-type cats would have impaired mobility or spinal problems, this was based on comparison with dog breeds and proved to be unfounded due to the cat’s more flexible spine. The mutation has occurred naturally in many locations and has also been perpetuated in feral cats without human intervention (Robinson’s Genetics for Cat Breeders).
The mutation has proven not to be achondroplasia, but is most likely to be either hypochodroplasia or pseudochondroplasia which affect the long bones of the leg while leaving other bodily proportions, especially the head, unchanged.
My munchkin/Manx was a rescue, which in my mind just makes her that much better (she was found in a drainage ditch trying competing with possums for food–they thought she was a bunny because she has stumpy legs, no tail [just a fluffy butt] and is white).
I’m glad Susie posted that information about munchkin kittehs being perfectly healthy–confirmed what I knew empirically from my little one.
And I just want to go nom nom nom on the musical kitteh’s ear bits.
I guess I’m a ’nuffer on this one, because I do think breeding for mutations is arrogant and dangerous. BUT I also think it’s really, really silly that we had this debate the second time. Meg posted it twice, and that’s silly too, but honestly, did we need to do this whole thing again?
Whining might prevent more breeding of these poor mutants. Isn’t there enough natural cuteness in the world without us getting all arrogant and greedy? Baby talk doesn’st make it OK.
Besides, ugly cats and animals need love too. . . cuteness shouldn’t be the standard by which we are kind to them. . .
We have four adorable pet corn snakes who are all very, very cute and not the least little bit evil. We will try to get a good photo of our baby snake for CO.
michele,
Did you see the part of Susie’s post about the mutation sometimes arising spontaneously?
Gee, sorry, but there may not be a bad guy here.
And have you seen ME try to jump up on a table?
A sad sight to be true, but I’m still glad to be here.
I think some people even think I’m cute.
Or, for that matter, there’s my tom cat who isn’t a mutant, only a klutz.
And he can’t jump worth beans.
Can we make a rule that IF we’re upset about something and we’re going to assume the position of King or Queen ‘Nuff, that we can AT LEAST read all of the posts to see if certain issues are addressed? We shouldn’t get our proverbial panties in a wad at the mere sight of a pic without checking to see if the posts provide a background/context for a possible commentroversy.
The best evidence (provided by Susie) suggests that the mutation occurred naturally. Also, I believe if the cat is fully domesticated (and an “indoor” cat) then the lack of a vertical leap will not be a major hindrance, as it will not be climbing trees or fending off dangerous predators. And what if the cat WAS breeded specifically for that mutation — with the knowledge that it would be provided for and loved by a family able to take care of it and rejoice in it’s living spirit? Over-bred and left to fend for itself in the wild with a physical disadvantage = sad. But that doesn’t seem to be the case here.
BTW, I just hate snakes and I’d rather be overrun with rats and mice. Y’all can disagree with me and argue for legless reptiles all you want, but it’s not gonna change my mind. Snakes=evil. “For the bible tells me so.” (The Bible also tells me to not eat cheeseburgers, but I guess I’m half-heathen).
Thank you Suzie for posting the wiki information! It is a naturally occuring mutation, and not a creation of breeding (or inbreeding as one person put it). My mother’s muchkin is quite healthy and agile. My mom’s Munchkin does not attempt to jump up beyond where she can go, so no falling! I observed the same behaviour from my elderly cat. He knew instictively where he could and couldn’t jump, so he didn’t. Give the kitties some credit for their survival skills. Yes, silly this debate had to happen again.
I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again: my stumpy munckin kitty CAN JUMP. Just fine. Better than her perfectly normal, long-legged siblings.
Michele, have you ever actually watched a munchkin cat jump? Because I have, and they can do it just fine. Of course, not all cats are born gymnasts, but that trait occurs even in “normal” cats (my Siamese can’t jump to save her life, and has normal legs).
I actually think snakes can be cute–had a friend who had a pet snake (it was white, don’t know my snake breeds so I can’t say what kind it was). I liked it very much, and would consider getting a pet snake except my cats and dog would definitely eat it.
I’ve heard Munchkin kitties have a harder time breathing and walking and generally die earlier than normal sized cats. I think it’s pretty cruel to breed Munchkins, but damn are they cute!
Agreed completely. This should be our motto for dealing with critters who maybe shouldn’t have been bred the way they are, but are super cute anyway. (Though I’m happy to hear that this kitty was probably NOT bred that way AND is probably healthy.)
people complaining about munchkins — have you had experience with them??
how sad, he was born a cat. so later in life, he’ll die. sad but true.
how sad that i – or all of us – are born the way we are. we’ll undoubtedly experience some suffering in life. we’d all be better off if we didn’t exist. what a sad world.
well madeline
you are one extremely lucky person.
i would love to have a manx/munchkin or just a manx or just a munchkin.
they are so adorable.
kiss the kitteh for me!
Pliny –
1) http://www.squidgrid.com/cute/Glossary.htm#Nuff
2) The *comments* come from anybody anywhere on the Whole Wild Web. Might be best to avoid making broad generalizations and assumptions, though.
Most mutations are natural to begin with. That doesn’t mean that they’re good, or that they aren’t subsequently pursued by breeders. The fact is that we CAN’T TELL from this video whether this mutation was natural (the munchkin is the odd one out) or bred on purpose (the non-munchkin is the disappointment). We can debate all day whether deliberate breeding is good or bad, but it really has nothing to do with this particular cat.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again:
The kittens are so cute! ^_^ *hugs* Both kitties – I am a sucker for that van pattern. *snorgles armful of van cat*
And, to give my two cents on genetic mutations and echo what was already said…
What’s wrong with it? I’ve got some, but I’m not sad or angry at my parents for them. Sure, I can’t eat certain foods or drive a car or navigate stairs that well, but it’s not like I’m suffering, and it’s not going to stop me from trying to have a kid some day.
Also, that kitty looks happy as a clam, with his sibling (I suspect there’s more off-camera) and human servant who loves him enough to show him to the world. I thank that person for it, whoever they are. They have brought a smile to this mutant’s face. ^_^
Oh yay, I’m glad this was posted again because it’s the cutest kitten in existence
Maybe we should reiterate Susie’s post every once and a while to inform people before they assume-and-post ^_^
Okay, well, I’m a little late on this one, and the second time ’round, but I’ll try anyway. As a veterinary professional, I can say that all heritable mutations are naturally-occurring, and since Munchkinism is heritable, it is naturally-occurring. However, people do breed specially for it. And all kittens in a litter of kittens bred specifically for munchkinism will not be munchkins; like all genes, it is not always expressed in all offspring. That’s why you look different than your brother or sister. It is theorized that munchkin cats will have different health problems than most other cats, but so do various breeds of dogs that have been established for many, many years (ie, dachshunds with intervertebral disc disease and shar pei with chronic yeast infections), but we don’t consider the breeds of dogs to be the victims of cruel breeding practices; just descendents of different breeding practices that yielded wildly interesting and often useful results. Breeding for traits is not necessarily cruel, nor have I personally seen any evidence that breeding for short-leggedness in cats is cruel. It’s different and novel, and creates a high demand for cats with a different look. That’s about all.
I think the debate is the fact that this isn’t the forum for that kind of discussion. Cute videos go in, smiles go out. The website didn’t breed the kitten and has no real political control over animal rights so complain in the place where it will do good.
An why is everyone yelling about it being a re-run. Did it ruin your day that much? Or was that just to prove you are a know it all with mad memory skills?
Late to this party, but I wonder if all of you who are outraged about Munchkins are familiar with them at all, or if you’ve only seen pictures of them online. My Munchie is healthy, happy and quite the little hoppy guy — and if you research the breed, as I did before adopting him, you’ll find that their genetic differences are naturally occurring.
FWIW, the other kitty is probably a non-standard Munchkin.
Awwwwwww
wasn’t this already posted?
yes it was i knew for sure when the taller kitten came in still cute and defintely worth another watch!
Well, I know that I haven’t seen this before, since I would have remembered punching my fist through wall from the sheer cuteness.
(which I just did)
Lookit the pudge-ness and the ears and the little legs!
I want to snorgle! And snuggle! And SKVEEEZE! BLEEEEEEN!
Oh the little prance/pounce at the end is just PRESHUS!
The Scottish Fold-ed ee-yohs! The tiny straight-up tailio! Squeeeeeeee!!
Is this re-runs week? I remember this being posted recently. Cute the second time, tho.
I just hope the comment-wank doesn’t repeat as well.
Yeah, the original was posted a little over a month ago, although for some reason it can’t be viewed if you try to go back to that entry. Here’s a link to the original, which is of a better video quality than this copy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ne3L99fjhyo
And here are some links to other videos by the same user, which are also incredibly cute:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rgSUMpdcps
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=my9P67ZTars
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suSPmtI5eK0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FIsNsqh7yk
Watch at your own risk, though. ; )
I dont see the cute. I just see sad.
The kitten is a cutie, but I have a real problem with people breeding munckins.
I don’t like people breeding animals who have trouble walking.
I believe this will be easier if we go though the nuffiness now.
Nuff: Omg cruel.
Non-nuf: Nerhye.
Nuff: Animal abuse. Puppy mills. Genetic defects.
Non-nuff: All animals are genetic defects.
Nuff: Nerhye.
*pudding feast*
That kitten makes me ded. xD
And the music just puts the cherry on top. I’m half expecting somebody to make a wind-up kitteh JUST LIKE THAT that plays that music.
Omg…music like that is so common in Japan. They play it in doctors’ and dentists’ offices…even the hold music for the Japanese consulate in Boston sounded like a music box.
And for those who aren’t satisfied with Kuu’s summation of the original debate, the original post is entitled something along the lines of “A Scottish Fold Dachsund Kitteh?!” Like I said before, you can’t view the video of that posting anymore, but you can read all the nuff and non-nuff comments underneath to your heart’s content.
And that’s all I will say on that.
is confusing….is the star kitty a munchkin and the taller kitty its non-munchkin sibling? or not related at all? or both munchkins but one is stubbier?
confusions.
i wants me a scottish foldie-o in the worst way!
i could have sworn this was posted before
but STILL AWESOME
i could have sworn this was posted before
but STILL AWESOME
So…is cuteoverload being affected by the writers’ strike, too? Why the reruns?
More than likely this cat, as an adult, will have a host of problems including arthritis and bone weakening just like every other inbred “munchkin” type of cat. Sad, and yet people still want them so bad.
It’s also kind of weird how there are rarely ever other animals or people in these videos….the Japanese sure enjoy the voyeur aspect of “cuteness.” I bet the kitty is lonely all by itself in that big room
Leg stubbytude.
I know this has been posted before, and I feel the same as some others. The kitty is cute, but sad. Breeding deformities like this kitty is not good for the animal itself. I can only imagine what this poor kitty will feel as it gets older and heavier, and it’s poor little legs wont be able to support it. It really isn’t good for the kitty!
I love cute, except when it’s cruel. What kind of monster would purposely breed pets to suffer later in life?
Yep it’s a re-run. Already posted and spawned controvertial cruelty debate last time too…
Another Japanese kitten video, with similar music, but a grander scale…you’ll see what I mean. And you’ll ADORE it. Also: ferret.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHkDQP4cC0w
Mmkay, I’m fairly sure that this moisshe CUTE is eeleegal on some planet. I’m gonna hafta see your intergalactic kitteh-showing license, fleshling.
Pwettty pwease can we not have the same debate again?
It’s cute, it’s kinda sad, it’s a defect and people and animals are born with them and can still be happy.
Let’s just enjoy the fact the cute kitty is alive now and it’s trying to move on with it’s stubbly little life.
In the last comment thread, amongst much weeping and gnashing of teeth, it was determined that it is not actually of the munchkin breed, but rather a dwarf cat based on the taller sibling kitten. So if you find natural dwarfism to be sad, to each his own, but the kitty looks pretty happy to me.
Wow, that floor is really dirty…..
Anybody else notice that a lot of kitten videos consist mostly of the kitten not understanding why the cameraperson is not doling out pats and skritches?
Scotty fold mini-kitty = alien kitty cuteness from outer space
scottish folded ears are a mutation, but don’t hinder the animal and are therefore cute. Stunted legs, I dunno. They’re kind of funny on a dog, like a corgi, but not on a graceful animal like a cat. At least this kitten is not a twisty kat.
reeeeeeepeeeeeat! still loves, though.
Kiteh = major cute!
I’m going to have my go at the nuffers now:
Judging by his sibling, lil’ kitty has been bred as an ordinary scottish fold and is the product of a prefectly natural genetic mutation. IT HAS NOT BEEN BRED FOR SHORT LEGS! Ugh…(sorry, long day, patience is wearing out)
Also, to whoever said that he’s alone…er…no he isn’t oO.
To those who say it’s cruel… i have deformed toes, wanna berate my parents for it?
Also kitty = happy! Look at him/her! That is a happy cat.
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Kitty is sooo cute, much chub is also evident ^^
Awww, lil thing looks happy to me! We’re all mutations in one way or another, and we are all perfect in our own way. I like kittens! They make me happy!
the ears kill me.
i think it’s cruel how they cover them with fur and make their bellehs all bulgy and teach them to go “mew” and stuff
what?
Whining about the cruelty of the breed will not un-breed them. Shh.
If the legs cause you heartbreak, look at the ears. The eeeeeeeeeears. Or else that vaguely bewildered look on its face.
I agree, though, kits in vids always look rather confused about the whole concept. If they could see how famous they get, they might not mind — then again, they might get a bit of an ego … er, a bit MORE of an ego.
Very cute kitten face.
Want
“Anybody else notice that a lot of kitten videos consist mostly of the kitten not understanding why the cameraperson is not doling out pats and skritches?
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Posted by Bob
I’m not understanding that part myself. Put down the stupid camera and snorgle the kitten, fer cryin’ out loud!
And I’ve been wanting to say this all week, and I just can’t hold it in any longer:
There would be no controversy if everyone stopped attacking everyone else for saying something you don’t like.
OMG. I just want to smother it with kisses!!!
[SPLODE]
I had a munchkin cat when I was a kid. He was actually the most active cat I’ve ever had, the short legs didn’t slow him down and never seemed to cause him discomfort. He was a sweet-heart too, though he often went out roaming.
Whatever one thinks about the controversial aspects above, this kitteh exists. This one’s here. He’s cute. So let’s love him!
Meg, you on strike too? Woe! Too bad commentroversies don’t go on strike.
Me, I find the worst part of this vid to be the fact that the cameraperson can manage to suppress the urge to snorgle snorgle snorgle like a baby stoat. (Er sumthin.)
ha! I didn’t know there were corgi-esque kitties.
All God’s creatures deserve love, that’s why she made them. Except snakes, snakes are evil. I’d rather be this kitteh than a dog owned by a certain NFL player.
berthaslave — Hey, now, I’ve seen cute snakes.
… well, A cute snake.
Once.
A very long time ago.
And I wasn’t actually anywhere near it.
All together now… Every thing is beautifull, inits own wayayy!
Snakes are a very important factor in controlling the rodent population, so unless you want to be overrun with rats and mice, snakes are not evil. And there are also a lot of very beautiful snakes out there that are perfectly harmless.
Snakes are COOL. I Have often had pet snakes–as many as four milksnakes at once. They are beautiful and useful creatures. Snakes keep the rodent population under control.
I am glad that people don’t think my mere existence is cruel given my myriad medical problems and supposed “genetic defects.”
I have a munchkin Manx kitteh who is about the cutest thing in the world. She can actually jump higher than my non-munchkins, so I can vouch that munchkin legs work just fine. She also hops like a bunny and chirps instead of meowing.
So sweet! And no bigger than a spud! I don’t know how I feel about munchkins, but I have to admit that little bit’o'kitty is absolutely adorable.
this is posted before – yes I’m fairly sure of it.
I still don’t like munchkin kitties
they make me a little sad
I disagree with Meg 100 percent here. The music makes it cuter!! There’s no such thing as too much cute! -slaps Meg- don’t let it happen again.
madeline-
where would one purchase a munchkin/manx kitten?
this would be a miracle!
i must investigate!
[slaps Lizzie and kicks her in the butt for slapping Meg.]
Aww… he/she is so cute and happy~
I really want to give them the benefit of the doubt and say that they weren’t trying to breed a munchkin kitty, and that his stubby legs are just an accident.
It happens.
Anyway… this kitty killed me! I was so sad when the first video was taken down
Thanks so much for sharing it again! Watching this little guy romp around, even tho he’s stubbly, just made my day ^____^
WHO CARES IF IT WAS POSTED BEFORE!? I don’t.
Bring on the CUTE! YEAH! Loved it
This kitty is as cute as hell, but I just want to ask…what exactly happened to it? Is it like, deformed? Is the taller kitty a healthy one?
*looks up at comments again*
Oh ok it was bred that way. Not deformed. Nevermind.
I really am starting to have a problem with how this website operates. I am personally on the fence about this kitty and how ethical it is to breed animals in this way. Does that make me a bad person? Does simply questioning something like that make me a “nuff”? Why can’t people, who have made up their minds about this, express their thoughts? It is rather immature and stifling to discussion the way you all just label someone a “nuff” because he or she disagrees with a practice or a post or what have you. I know this is Meg’s site, but she doesn’t make these posts in a vacuum. People have a right to express their own reactions to posts, and if she’s not comfortable with that, then she should close the comments sections. I understand censoring/ chastising people who are rude or disrespectful, but if someone puts forward an interesting, well-reasoned, but unpopular, opinion…I’m sorry but I don’t see how that’s nuffery. Don’t you think we could all learn from the insights of others? I think learning is cuter than name-calling. What about you?
*gets down from soapbox*
I just don’t like it when animals are artificially bred to be one certain way that may be uncomfortable.
Like animals like pugs and the like that are born to be brachyocephalic or munchkins, etc… etc. etc…
I think lectures are uncute.
Kittens on the other hand…very cute.
Bleh-
exactly.
And this kitten? Adorabubbles. I just want to scoop the little darlin up and plant kissies between those foldy downy ears. And nibble on those wee toes. And snack upon the stubby tail. And cuddle up with on the couch and listen to the purrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrs.
Bleh-
truer words were never written.
you are genious.
Kitteh is must have.
Hmmm….time share kitten?
CO is an internet clique and like all cliques, your opinion is only welcome when it’s the same as everyone elses’ opinion. To be happy on the internet and CO, you need to stop thinking college and start thinking jr. high.
Gee, thanks for the boost. Didn’t know I was still in junior high simply because I disagree with jumping all over a random video and screaming animal abuse.
I feel so good now. Thanks for shoving me into a pre-made assumption that exists only in your head! My life finally has meaning! Huzzah!
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Double your kitteh pleasure!
If I had tiny ones like these, I would be a babbling fool kissing those delish babies all day (as if I’m not a babbling fool with my own three!)
Almost fell off my chair…
Revolting – I agree with everyone who has ishes with the odd folks who breed FOR deformities.
I don’t think this kitty was meant to be a munchkin, otherwise the other kitty running around with it would’ve been a munchkin too. This is prob’ly a common deformity in cats if it happened often enough for people to realize they could breed them to look this way.
gee i was really hoping these posts would stop at
69.
just because i’m incredibly immature.
Zance — if life is what you make it (and I believe that it is) then this CO “clique” is heavily influenced by what you put into it. YOU.
Personally I’ve found the level of sophistication here to be extremely variable, which means we’re The Blog To Beat just as often as we’re Oh No Not This Again.
I want to put eets leetle legs into my mouth and munch munch munch that mini kitteh!!!
ZOMG it’s Snacky’s Law! The intarweb vortex is complete.
Babs — OK, found it:
http://www.journalfen.net/users/snacky/1752.html
…Huh.
This is from Wikipedia — seems as though Munchkin is NOT bred intentionally, but occurs naturally. Also, cats don’t suffer the way dogs do:
Mk = Munchkin gene (dominant). Cats heterozygous for this gene (Mkmk) have shortened legs, but are not disabled. They have a ferret-like gait. The homozygous form (MkMk) may be lethal as litter sizes are smaller than average. Although there was initial concern that Munchkin-type cats would have impaired mobility or spinal problems, this was based on comparison with dog breeds and proved to be unfounded due to the cat’s more flexible spine. The mutation has occurred naturally in many locations and has also been perpetuated in feral cats without human intervention (Robinson’s Genetics for Cat Breeders).
The mutation has proven not to be achondroplasia, but is most likely to be either hypochodroplasia or pseudochondroplasia which affect the long bones of the leg while leaving other bodily proportions, especially the head, unchanged.
THANK YOU, Susie.
Now if only people read it and let go of their drama…
susie is one of them -thar sOfisticated peeps that Theo was talking about earlier.
good job susie.
big werds.
Little fat stumpy pouncy kitten!
*dies*
That kitteh is snorgle-riffic.
Thank you Susie!!
*Enjoys little fluff ball*
Ah, gee. I’m willing to brave the stuffed nose and watery eyes to cuddle this little one.
Eh. Or I’ll just watch the vid again.
Liz,
My munchkin/Manx was a rescue, which in my mind just makes her that much better (she was found in a drainage ditch trying competing with possums for food–they thought she was a bunny because she has stumpy legs, no tail [just a fluffy butt] and is white).
I’m glad Susie posted that information about munchkin kittehs being perfectly healthy–confirmed what I knew empirically from my little one.
And I just want to go nom nom nom on the musical kitteh’s ear bits.
Yeah, this was posted before. The debate over the ‘cruelty’ happened exactly the same way the second time. OMG people, STFU.
I guess I’m a ’nuffer on this one, because I do think breeding for mutations is arrogant and dangerous. BUT I also think it’s really, really silly that we had this debate the second time. Meg posted it twice, and that’s silly too, but honestly, did we need to do this whole thing again?
Whining might prevent more breeding of these poor mutants. Isn’t there enough natural cuteness in the world without us getting all arrogant and greedy? Baby talk doesn’st make it OK.
Besides, ugly cats and animals need love too. . . cuteness shouldn’t be the standard by which we are kind to them. . .
. And have you seen one try to jump up to a chair or table? Nope, can’t do it. Bet you think it falling down in sooooo cute!
We have four adorable pet corn snakes who are all very, very cute and not the least little bit evil. We will try to get a good photo of our baby snake for CO.
Chibi kitten is chibi.
michele,
Did you see the part of Susie’s post about the mutation sometimes arising spontaneously?
Gee, sorry, but there may not be a bad guy here.
And have you seen ME try to jump up on a table?
A sad sight to be true, but I’m still glad to be here.
I think some people even think I’m cute.
Or, for that matter, there’s my tom cat who isn’t a mutant, only a klutz.
And he can’t jump worth beans.
Sooo, is it puddin time yet?
Can we make a rule that IF we’re upset about something and we’re going to assume the position of King or Queen ‘Nuff, that we can AT LEAST read all of the posts to see if certain issues are addressed? We shouldn’t get our proverbial panties in a wad at the mere sight of a pic without checking to see if the posts provide a background/context for a possible commentroversy.
The best evidence (provided by Susie) suggests that the mutation occurred naturally. Also, I believe if the cat is fully domesticated (and an “indoor” cat) then the lack of a vertical leap will not be a major hindrance, as it will not be climbing trees or fending off dangerous predators. And what if the cat WAS breeded specifically for that mutation — with the knowledge that it would be provided for and loved by a family able to take care of it and rejoice in it’s living spirit? Over-bred and left to fend for itself in the wild with a physical disadvantage = sad. But that doesn’t seem to be the case here.
BTW, I just hate snakes and I’d rather be overrun with rats and mice. Y’all can disagree with me and argue for legless reptiles all you want, but it’s not gonna change my mind. Snakes=evil. “For the bible tells me so.”
(The Bible also tells me to not eat cheeseburgers, but I guess I’m half-heathen).
Thank you Suzie for posting the wiki information! It is a naturally occuring mutation, and not a creation of breeding (or inbreeding as one person put it). My mother’s muchkin is quite healthy and agile. My mom’s Munchkin does not attempt to jump up beyond where she can go, so no falling! I observed the same behaviour from my elderly cat. He knew instictively where he could and couldn’t jump, so he didn’t. Give the kitties some credit for their survival skills. Yes, silly this debate had to happen again.
I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again: my stumpy munckin kitty CAN JUMP. Just fine. Better than her perfectly normal, long-legged siblings.
Michele, have you ever actually watched a munchkin cat jump? Because I have, and they can do it just fine. Of course, not all cats are born gymnasts, but that trait occurs even in “normal” cats (my Siamese can’t jump to save her life, and has normal legs).
I actually think snakes can be cute–had a friend who had a pet snake (it was white, don’t know my snake breeds so I can’t say what kind it was). I liked it very much, and would consider getting a pet snake except my cats and dog would definitely eat it.
I think I’ll be downloading this clip to my hard drive, just in case people get the dang thing removed from Youtube again. Jeez!
I’ve heard Munchkin kitties have a harder time breathing and walking and generally die earlier than normal sized cats. I think it’s pretty cruel to breed Munchkins, but damn are they cute!
Oh sike, I just read the post that said it was a natural mutation, although I have heard it wasn’t. But if it is, that’s cool.
Oh my! That beautiful little creature is so cute it nearly broke my heart with the sheer sweetness/cuteness of it.
“This one’s here. He’s cute. So let’s love him!”
Agreed completely. This should be our motto for dealing with critters who maybe shouldn’t have been bred the way they are, but are super cute anyway. (Though I’m happy to hear that this kitty was probably NOT bred that way AND is probably healthy.)
And yes. KITTEH IS ADORABLE!
people complaining about munchkins — have you had experience with them??
how sad, he was born a cat. so later in life, he’ll die. sad but true.
how sad that i – or all of us – are born the way we are. we’ll undoubtedly experience some suffering in life. we’d all be better off if we didn’t exist. what a sad world.
oh no!!!!
it’s unavailables now.
I wanna see it… mwahhhh!!!
Still works for me…
well madeline
you are one extremely lucky person.
i would love to have a manx/munchkin or just a manx or just a munchkin.
they are so adorable.
kiss the kitteh for me!
What’s a “nuff,” and why are the photos and videos on the site cute, while the comments are mean and/or snarky?
*tilts head to side- baroo*
Pliny –
1) http://www.squidgrid.com/cute/Glossary.htm#Nuff
2) The *comments* come from anybody anywhere on the Whole Wild Web. Might be best to avoid making broad generalizations and assumptions, though.
Most mutations are natural to begin with. That doesn’t mean that they’re good, or that they aren’t subsequently pursued by breeders. The fact is that we CAN’T TELL from this video whether this mutation was natural (the munchkin is the odd one out) or bred on purpose (the non-munchkin is the disappointment). We can debate all day whether deliberate breeding is good or bad, but it really has nothing to do with this particular cat.
Who is pretty darn cute, I must say.
No Mutant Cats EVAR!
oh my jesus – my heart – jesus – my god
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again:
The kittens are so cute! ^_^ *hugs* Both kitties – I am a sucker for that van pattern. *snorgles armful of van cat*
And, to give my two cents on genetic mutations and echo what was already said…
What’s wrong with it? I’ve got some, but I’m not sad or angry at my parents for them. Sure, I can’t eat certain foods or drive a car or navigate stairs that well, but it’s not like I’m suffering, and it’s not going to stop me from trying to have a kid some day.
Also, that kitty looks happy as a clam, with his sibling (I suspect there’s more off-camera) and human servant who loves him enough to show him to the world. I thank that person for it, whoever they are. They have brought a smile to this mutant’s face. ^_^
Oh yay, I’m glad this was posted again because it’s the cutest kitten in existence
Maybe we should reiterate Susie’s post every once and a while to inform people before they assume-and-post ^_^
Okay, well, I’m a little late on this one, and the second time ’round, but I’ll try anyway. As a veterinary professional, I can say that all heritable mutations are naturally-occurring, and since Munchkinism is heritable, it is naturally-occurring. However, people do breed specially for it. And all kittens in a litter of kittens bred specifically for munchkinism will not be munchkins; like all genes, it is not always expressed in all offspring. That’s why you look different than your brother or sister. It is theorized that munchkin cats will have different health problems than most other cats, but so do various breeds of dogs that have been established for many, many years (ie, dachshunds with intervertebral disc disease and shar pei with chronic yeast infections), but we don’t consider the breeds of dogs to be the victims of cruel breeding practices; just descendents of different breeding practices that yielded wildly interesting and often useful results. Breeding for traits is not necessarily cruel, nor have I personally seen any evidence that breeding for short-leggedness in cats is cruel. It’s different and novel, and creates a high demand for cats with a different look. That’s about all.
yeah, and human animals of african descent are prone to cicle cell anemia. god is a cruel breeder!~ waaa!
Yeah, I want to buy them a broom.
I think the debate is the fact that this isn’t the forum for that kind of discussion. Cute videos go in, smiles go out. The website didn’t breed the kitten and has no real political control over animal rights so complain in the place where it will do good.
An why is everyone yelling about it being a re-run. Did it ruin your day that much? Or was that just to prove you are a know it all with mad memory skills?
Late to this party, but I wonder if all of you who are outraged about Munchkins are familiar with them at all, or if you’ve only seen pictures of them online. My Munchie is healthy, happy and quite the little hoppy guy — and if you research the breed, as I did before adopting him, you’ll find that their genetic differences are naturally occurring.
FWIW, the other kitty is probably a non-standard Munchkin.
That is the cutest thing I have ever seen. Ever. Ever ever ever.